For Faith & Family | Stand for Marriage | Comments http://faithandfamily.com/ This feed provides all comments on "Stand for Marriage." en web-master@erlc.com ℗ & © 2009 ERLC Comment 1 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment1 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment1 Thank you for this eye-opening article. I have become numb from the bombardment of homosexual propaganda.
The question of genetic abnormalities is one that is most compelling I think. The key is “abnormalities”. There are genetic abnormalities(e.g. no arms or legs, six fingers or toes, and also some sexual).How should we deal with these abnormalities?
If we aren’t dealing with genetics, there are also studies that show certain brain activity for abnormal psychological behavior. Again, the question remains, “How should we deal with these abnormalities?”
The problem is, getting someone to accept they may have a problem.
We accept people with abnormalities into our society with the understanding that they need to be treated equally. Physical abnormalities are dealt with diferently as mental abnormalities.
As we may accept abnormalities into society, I certainly would not promote them.
We need genuine, un-biased studies to prove what ever will be proven and then fix the problem.

]]> Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:03:09 CST Comment 2 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment2 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment2 Homosexuality, pansexuality, bi-sexuality, and asexuality aren’t abnormalitites, mentally or biologically. Unless of course you mean they are different from you. The Human body is full of variation, that’s why no two people are the same. Abnormality implies a negative variation that leads to disease and disorder. No medical association believes non-heterosexuality to be a disorder or a disease or anything of that sort. Any differences that exist are just a part of normal human variation. Like the fact that I am taller than 97% of men my age. The APA removed homosexuality from its diagnostic manual decades ago and now they even support marriage equality and have concluded that same sex parents are just as capable of raising well adjusted children as heterosexual parents. Some of their studies even suggest that same-sex couples might be better at raising children since the strength of their relationships has survived persecution, prejudice, and bigotry.

]]> Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:10:33 CST Comment 3 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment3 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment3 Pro-gay media doesn’t exist. It just repeats gay stereotypes that aren’t true, yet many Americans believe it. Gay culture wasn’t created by non-heterosexuals, it was created by heterosexual stereotypes.

You are entitled to think homosexuality is wrong. But it isn’t abnormal in terms of science. The medical community does not back you up on this one, I am sorry. As far as your belief in morals. Homosexuality is wrong to you, then fine. But you should also show the morality of acceptance of those that are different and believe differently than you. Be more concerned about your own salvation.

]]> Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:35:42 CST Comment 4 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment4 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment4 First, it is logically unsound to try to connect (as causative rather than correlative) the out-of-wedlock birth rate of Norway (one country) to the de-facto recognition of all the same-sex marriages in Scandinavian countries. You aren’t trying to argue, seriously, that because LGBT people can get married, straight people aren’t, are you? This line of thinking makes absolutely no sense. And the scare tactic of your rhetorical “Do we really want this for America?” makes me sick to my stomach.

Also, the language used in hate crimes legislation authored to date specifically allows clergy to preach against this so-called “abomination” of homosexuality-so don’t try to apply the lack of such qualifying language in European legislation to that of American legislation that has made exceptions for so-called “people of faith.”

]]> Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:40:52 CST Comment 5 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment5 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment5 You state that “The Bible establishes a fixed standard of righteousness, a fixed standard of moral absolutes, of right and wrong.”  If that’s true, we should stone to death any woman who disrespects her husband or an oldest child who is drunk and lazy.  Really!?

You also state “The Word of God, which does not err…”.  This is demonstrably incorrect in several sections of the Bible, but most notably in Matthew 27 and Acts 1.  In one, Judas commits suicide by hanging himself.  In the other, he falls down and his guts spill out.  How can the so-called “word of god” not err if it can’t even get a man’s death straight?

The fact of the matter is this:  I’ve known dozens of gay men and women in my life, and not one of them ever “chose” to be gay.  If you want to claim that God exists, then you must accept the fact that if those people did not choose to be gay then God must have made them gay.

]]> Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:16:34 CST Comment 6 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment6 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment6 I’m standing for mine & my wifes (Tonya) marriage.  Any GODly guidence or encouragement you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you, in Christ,
David Williams.  425.##.###

]]> Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:28:24 CST Comment 7 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment7 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment7 I’m happy to hear that you take your marriage seriously and continue to work on it, David, though I fail to see how that relates to same-sex marriages. 

The crux of my opposition to groups like this one is that its members tend to want to force their concept of marriage on everyone else, resulting in the exclusion of non-standard demographic groups like gays.  To me, the idea that two people of the same gender can’t marry is the same as two people with the same hair color or political views not being able to marry.  Until someone can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it’s impossible for two people of the same gender to feel genuine romantic love for each other, I can’t think of a reason why any sane person would oppose same-sex marriage.

BTW, I included some “godly guidance” in my original post in order to show how ridiculous that guidance is in today’s world.

]]> Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:54:48 CST Comment 8 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment8 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment8 Without the true Redeemer, Jesus Christ, coming in and cleansing our hearts and minds (when we invite Him and seek His guidance)we as a nation will fall prey to lie upon lie.  I used to believe that homosexuality was normal but where does the line stop?  Is it normal to engage in sex with a child?  Is it normal to have multiple marriage partners?  What if I fall in love with an ape?  Me and my ape husband have rights don’t we?  When we seek to live outside of God’s will, nothing but trouble will result.  The homosexual agenda is very aggresive and very determined but the movement is propaganda based on Hitler’s ‘Big Lie’ technique…if you say a lie loudly and long enough (and prey upon people’s vulnerabilities), people will eventually begin to believe it. I thank God He opened my eyes to the truth.

]]> Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:54:23 CST Comment 9 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment9 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment9 Unfortunately, Amy, your analogies use faulty logic.  Same-sex marriage is not legal in most places, yet some people in those places still want to have sex with children, marry more than one person, and marry animals.  There is no linear progression from same-sex marriage to those things (or to legalizing those things).  Besides, using your logic, we could outlaw anything. 

For example, if people are allowed to keep cats and dogs as household pets, what will stop them from starting wildlife preserves for lions and wolves in their back yards?  We can’t have that, so we’d better outlaw having cats and dogs as household pets.  Right?  These are phantom fears designed to scare people out of logical thought.  You’re not thinking about the actual issue because you’re too busy worrying about unrelated things you think might result from it.  It’s the same smokescreen used to convince people to keep marijuana illegal, or to support the “war on terrorism”.

]]> Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:40:46 CST Comment 10 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment10 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment10 Do we live in purely a logical world?  Your argument would be more valid if this was the case.  But of course we live in a moral world experienced and demonstrated with logical principles. We, as a nation, are making choices based upon our own ideas of truth and consequences. No nation has survived without an extreme amount of corruption when this happens. What is the solid foundation for the moral choices in our country?  It used to be based upon God’s truth.  Now, it’s whatever seems appropriate to the individual. 
Morally speaking, our country is sliding down a slippery slope towards destruction…not because of homosexuals, or pot smokers, or drug addicts…but because we have lost hope.  Our gods have become our own selfish desires and decisions instead of the objective truths of an all-knowing and loving God and Creator.

]]> Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:58:03 CST Comment 11 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment11 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment11 Through God’s blessings, I have learned a lot about the Bible through acquisition of study guides and research papers and have learned quite a bit over the years (also from many other people).  I would be happy to answer any (so called) discrepancies others may find in the Bible…and hopefully comments will be made by people that actually have read the Bible all the way through.

]]> Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:30:51 CST Comment 12 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment12 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment12 Amy, why should Christians (or people of any specific faith) have the right to base the laws that affect all of us, believers and so-called “non-believers,” alike on tenets almost, if not entirely, derived from their theological tenets?

If the solid foundation is based on “God’s truth,” one, if she or he is honest, must inevitably arrive at the following question: who’s god(s)? Since, thank God we live in such a pluralist society, we cannot rely simply (and certainly not exclusively) on the texts of one’s religious tradition to dictate legislation for the masses.

]]> Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:51:39 CST Comment 13 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment13 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment13 The 1000 char limit is killing me.  Regarding “objective truths” in the Bible…  Do you sacrifice oxen on the altar in church?  Is 50 shekels and marriage to your rapist the best way to treat a rape victim (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)?  Should a widow marry her husband’s brother to produce a male heir (Genesis 38)?  Do people cut off their hands to follow Mark 9:43?  Should a woman even be allowed to try to teach us about God (1 Timothy 2:11-14)?  These are just a few examples of “objective truths” that are ignored because they’re inconsistent with modern society. 

As for discrepancies in the Bible, please explain the two stories of the death of Judas in Matthew 27 and Acts 1.  Who really killed Goliath, David (1 Samuel 17:49) or Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)?  Why do we still expect the second coming of Christ when Jesus told his Apostles more than once that it would happen during their lifetimes (Luke 21, Mark 13, Matthew 24… particularly verses 34-35)?

]]> Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:02:04 CST Comment 14 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment14 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment14 Regarding Judas’ death, here’s what I found from Answerbag.com
We read the Bible through our Western glasses and we have to remember that the Bible is wrapped up in a culture. Our Western culture says “hanging = rope around the neck.” The Middle Eastern culture is quite different. If someone were to be “hanged” or “hang themself” they would stand on something (i.e. rock, stool, etc.) and leap onto a sharpened steak or spear so the body was quite literally HANGING from the pole. That is why Luke says that Judas’ guts were poured out on the field and thats why Matthew says Judas hanged himself. They are saying the same thing. We just don’t understand that as readers because we fail to unwrap the culture that the Bible comes in. What we need to steer away from is the “Old West” or “Western” backdrop for Judas’ suicide.

]]> Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:58:53 CST Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:23:27 CST Comment 15 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment15 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/stand-for-marriage#comment15 Thank you for helping me do some research…I certainly don’t pretend to know it all.
For the questions pertaining to rape and destruction, check out http://www.gotquestions.org/SAB/SAB-CS-Deuteronomy.html Sorry about that, it’s just too long to give sufficient response.
And for Mr. Hudgins, there are many answers I could give for your question but I will start with this…
I am a sinner saved by grace. Who saved me?  Jesus Christ. Not Budda, not Mohamed, not some pantheistic belief system.  Who is the only Creator?  Who was resurrected?  Who said “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life?”  Yes, the living Jesus Christ.

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