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Here we go again.  Boy the Baptists just can’t let the queer boy get a break.  Being gay IS immutable.  Why do you think that gay people need protection in the first place?  Its because some people just don’t get it.  And like the Baptists they would fire us in a flat second and indeed do so, without any recourse open to us. 


“Statistics show sexual orientation discrimination is not a widespread problem in America.”

What statistics show this?  Without a federal course of action to take, how does one tabulate how many cases come before the courts based on this kind of discrimination.  At the very least the Baptists should be honest enough to say, we don’t like gays and we want to see gay people in the closet where they belong instead of playing this silly card.

]]> Tue, 08 May 2007 13:48:54 CST Comment 2 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment2 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment2 I myself am not a Baptist, a Catholic, a Methodist, etc. 
There are a lot of instances where a homosexual has changed his or her “sexual orientation” or “preference” to become heterosexual. Therefore, it is obvious that being homosexual is not immutable. It is a choice, a very hard choice for some, but a choice. Being of a certain race, sex, national origin,age, or being handicapped, is immutable. Being homosexual is not.

I, personally do believe the Word of God. I believe there are absolute right and wrongs, and that God established those. That’s initially where we got many of the laws that have sustained our country thus far. As we disregard these foundational truths (that:killing babies is wrong, homosexual behavior is wrong, euthanasia is wrong, adultry is wrong,dishonesty is wrong, etc) our country deteriorates into a country filled with ever increasing violence, disregard for life and authority, selfishness, depression, sexual abuse,
STDs, suicide, etc.

]]> Wed, 09 May 2007 17:19:45 CST Comment 3 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment3 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment3 What this legilation would mean is that it would be illegal for me to fire my babysitter because I found out he/she was homosexual.  What if the babysitter was a pedaphile?  Could I fire them then?  What I mean is not all discrimination is bad.  This bill is a bad idea because it confuses good discrimination with bad discrimination.  Jury committess who assign jurors to their post are paid to discriminate.  Schools had better discriminate against convicted child sex offenders when they hire employees.  Discriminating for an unchangable characteristic (such as skin color) is completely unethical.  But discriminating against someone because their sexual preference may be a threat to the purpose of the job to which they apply is just smart!  I guess if this legislation passes and I get fired I could just claim that I was a homosexual and own that company.  I’m sure that there will be many more homosexuals if this law passed.

]]> Wed, 09 May 2007 21:12:55 CST Comment 4 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment4 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment4 Dear Bill Hubbell,
You say “There are a lot of instances where a homosexual has changed his or her “sexual orientation” or “preference” to become heterosexual”, however, that is a myth generated by anti gay groups to foster just this kind of homophobia.  Gay people are born gay and we die gay.  Some people are bisexual and some gay men elect to try to live a lie for apperances but I can assure you that your sexual orientation is immutable.  Just try changing your own sometime and see how it works out for you.

]]> Thu, 10 May 2007 08:29:34 CST Comment 5 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment5 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment5 “What this legilation would mean is that it would be illegal for me to fire my babysitter because I found out he/she was homosexual.”

Dear Jonathan,
The short answer is NO.  Companies generally need to employ at least 50 workers full time to fall under federal mandate, and even then there are many outs for small businesses.  This bill is for medium to large employers.  Check it out, this site publishes alarmist editorials just to get you all riled up, but one does well to find the facts.  There are lots of agendas out there.

]]> Thu, 10 May 2007 09:00:23 CST Comment 6 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment6 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment6 I apologize.  I should have researched the facts for myself.  You are right.  I appreciate your clarification Mr. Valdes.  So there is protection for my children after all.  It seems to be threatened by this bill…

But there is one more thing I want to ask.  You mentioned that “Being gay IS immutable.  Why do you think that gay people need protection in the first place?”  If being gay is immutable then why do so many homosexuals come out of the lifestyle?  In the first place, the majority of homosexuals do not remain homosexuals their entire life.  How could this be if homosexuality is “immutable?”  What scientific research do you turn to for such facts that declare homosexuality as being immutable?  Please enlighten me.  Perhaps you too should look at the facts just as I should make sure I know mine.

]]> Thu, 10 May 2007 19:11:23 CST Comment 7 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment7 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment7 “In the first place, the majority of homosexuals do not remain homosexuals their entire life.”

Why do you think this is true?  It’s not.  I have 100’s of gay friends and all of them have been gay from day one and remain so into middle age.  I even know a gay man that had electro shock therapy (back in the 70’s) and it didn’t take the gay away.  Believe me, it’s something we do not control.  Besides, who would elect to be gay in this climate?  Society makes it so much easier on heteros.  Get to know some gay people and you will see.  The “ex-gay” industry is a political myth machine.

]]> Fri, 11 May 2007 12:20:36 CST Comment 8 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment8 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment8 I have no doubt that you have 100s of friends who have been gay for a long time.  But some people do decide to stop being gay.  How can homosexuality be “immutable” if even one homosexual leaves the lifestyle? The “ex-gay industry” is not an industry at all.  It is not a political anything, it is a real fact.  You too can change, Mr. Valdes.  And society seems to be bending over backwards for homosexuals because everyone’s afraid of a lawsuit.  Besides, the average homosexual in the USA has a high level of education and makes an average of 50,000+ a year.  Yet you say society is hard on homosexuals?  Please, understand, I do not mean to be disrespectful, Mr. Valdes, but you must understand that homosexuality is a lifestyle of choice.  It is an unnatural lifestyle.  Anyone can come out of it.  It’s never too late.

]]> Fri, 11 May 2007 18:51:28 CST Comment 9 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment9 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment9 Dear Jonathan,
I can change behavior and no longer have sexual activity with men, I can also put on a facade and begin having sexual realtionships with women, but I will always have attraction to men and not women.  Some people are bi-sexal, I really don’t know anyone who has ever changed from one to the other, it’s a myth.  The intolerance I speak of relates to sites like this one that would rather we not exist.

]]> Mon, 14 May 2007 08:21:30 CST Comment 10 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment10 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment10 I am heartbroken for you Mr. Valdes.  Remember, just because you do not know anyone who has really changed does not mean it is a myth.  It just means you do not know anyone who has changed.  And I highly doubt that Richard Land and company would ever say that they would rather you not exist.  In fact, he has never said anything like that.  But remember, you are visiting a website whose entire mission is contrary to your own.  So be not suprised to find opposition. Does that mean intolerance? No. Does that mean they would rather you not exist? Never.  In fact, they’re the ones who keep letting your comments be posted.  At least they let you voice your opinion.

]]> Mon, 14 May 2007 20:11:21 CST Comment 11 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment11 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment11 By the way, Mr. Valdes, you are correct when you say you will never be able to change.  That’s why Jesus Christ died and rose again.  He alone has the power to change lives by changing hearts.  He has turned my life around, yet I still struggle with certain areas that I know are wrong, “unnatural”, and sinful.  Yet, I know that those areas do not govern the way I live my life anymore.  That is a role reserved for Christ and Christ alone.  So, no, you will never be able to change, but Christ can bring you out of homosexuality regardless of how ingrained in your life it is.  In fact the only hope for our lives is in Christ.  Not in homosexuality, not in Richard Land, or oursleves, but in Christ alone.  So for you or any other homosexual that may be reading this remember, that your life can change.  God knew we couldn’t save ourselves from our own sin, so He came down and saved us Himself.  The Judge took the sentence upon Himself.  That is a promise we can bank on Mr. Valdes.

]]> Mon, 14 May 2007 20:18:00 CST Comment 12 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment12 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment12 Dear Jonathan,

You are right that the Baptists do give me a voice here and I must applaud them for that. However, I am also keenly aware of this particular group’s political activity, something Mr. Land is keenly proud of.  That is the main reason that I counter their false notions about sexuality and gay people. 

Thank you for your well intended wishes.  You seem to have this view of human sexuality that doesn’t jive with reality or science but your heart seems to be in a good place.  I just wish you could understand that when I was a very young boy until now at middle age, my sexual orientation has been towards men.  I have loved Jesus all those years and He has never seen fit to make me any other way than gay.  Perhaps because He saw that I loved myself just the way He intended me to be. 

Peace to you Jonathan.  Be joyful for me, I know Jesus too.  :-)

]]> Tue, 15 May 2007 08:49:16 CST Comment 13 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment13 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment13 True spirituality rests not in the change, but faith in the changer. In other words Johnathan is right that Jesus Christ can bring someone “Out of” the homosexual lifestyle and David is right that he can “Love Jesus” and be homosexual.
I love Jesus and I am heterosexual, but I am also prone to:
GALATIANS 5:19…adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy,murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, “that those who PRACTICE such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
It is not what goes into a man that defiles him but what comes out.Therefore if what comes out of us is offensive to God - it is sin, whether it comes from a homosexual or a heterosexual.

]]> Tue, 15 May 2007 20:01:29 CST Comment 14 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment14 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment14 As a transgender person who lost a job because of transition I totally support ENDA. And it isn’t anyone else’s place to judge, that is up to god. If you refuse to treat GLBT people fairly and as human beings you just might be the one being judged for doing wrong!

]]> Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:28:45 CST Comment 15 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment15 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment15 Are you kidding me with this? No one is going to be “forced” to do anything besides respect a person’s right to work based on their qualifications. People, “let us reason together.” If you are opposed to homosexuality based on religious beliefs, be opposed; what does it matter what a coworker does, besides their job? There is truly no explanation (or scriptual basis) for discriminating against anyone based on his or her sexuality. Quoting scripture solves the issue of moral right and wrong based on Christian beliefs, it does not explain why someone’s livelihood should be jeopardized.

You are not the Nation of Israel ordered to destroy Canaanites. You have no moral grounds for this stance.

]]> Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:04:42 CST Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:39:16 CST Comment 16 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment16 http://faithandfamily.com/fff/article/beware-of-the-employment-non-discrimination-act#comment16 As a born-again Christian I find it very “anti-Christ like” to be opposed to legislation that would seek to prevent discrimination based on a person’s behaviour that is not directed with evil intent. I know that Jesus was himself very opposed to discriminatory practices occurring during his own time in the physical world. Some examples would be Matt 15, where the Pharisees thought it “abominable” because He and His disciples didn’t follow ritual washing before mealtime, and then of course there is the incident with the prostitute, Where Jesus said to let him without sin cast the first stone. In fact, it seems that Jesus was more concerned with actual evil from the heart: greed, lust without Love, selfishness, hypocrisy, etc. If we were to discriminate on the basis of any Law given after the original “Ten Commanments” then we should all ensure we truly remove the big beams from our own eyes so we can see to remove a speck. Read John 15. Love, Ric

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